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Hold or Fold

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A podcast for anyone who has suffered from gambling related harm. "Hold or Fold" explores the "hidden addiction" that is gambling with a keen eye on how this affects those with experience of the Criminal Justice System.Your hosts Ben & Steve both spent time in prison as a direct result of their gambling addiction - On Hold or Fold they share the stories of people who, like them, have been taken to the brink by gambling. You"ll hear how gambling took a hold of people"s lives, the dark places this led

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26. The rapper who's tracks on addiction and mental...

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2025/11/25

In this raw and powerful episode of Hold or Fold, Nottingham rapper and poet Jah Digga opens up about his battle with gambling addiction, and the creative lifeline that saved him.Behind the viral hit “Addictions”, there’s a deeply personal story; nights spent haunted by visions of cards and chips, insomnia, and the relentless “chase” that drove him to near rock bottom.Raised in a rough neighbourhood, Jah watched his siblings jailed or worse, and vowed to carve out a different path. Through writing,

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42:05

25. 'Debts are getting bigger, bets are getting...

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2025/11/18

In this powerful episode, we sit down with Mark Murray, co-founder of the mental health and addiction charity Whysup, to unpack a life that could’ve gone very differently.As a teenager, Mark was on the books at Manchester City, a promising football career ahead but everything shifted when he became a father at just 16. To cope with the pressure, Mark turned to gambling. What began as a way out soon spiralled into a 13-year addiction that would leave him drowning in debt, facing threats, and

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48:55

24. 'When I was arrested, the Officer sat me down and...

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2025/11/11

On this episode, Steve sits down for an open and honest chat with Martin. Martin tells us how his childhood led him to gambling and what started as fruit machines by the sea soon became spending a full day, on one machine, in a bookmakerMartin also shares how his prison experience changed him, made him better understand himself and taught him to make the best of every situation through embracing the presentUSEFUL LINKS:Gambler's AnonymousGordon MoodyReframe CoachingGambling Harm UKGamble

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48:24

23. Gambling in Black Communities | Kiki & Ryan from...

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2025/11/04

This episode explores the links between gambling harm in Black communities and the Criminal Justice System. Ben is joined by Ryan Taylor-Hines & Kiki Marriott from BetKnowMore to unpack how culture, targeted industry practices and social inequality shape gambling risk - And what community-led responses like “Breaking the Cycle” actually do on the ground to help address the problem and raise awarenessUSEFUL LINKS:BetknowmoreRyan Taylor-Hines Kiki MarriottEpic Restart FoundationGamble

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50:05

22. The Postman who gambled €10 million....And lost...

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2025/10/28

It's another episode of 'Hold or Fold: Worldwide' - Where Ben speaks to people in other countries to find out how their experience of gambling and prison was different, or similar, to his ownWhat starts as a seemingly innocuous £1 bet spirals into a life-shattering obsession. In this riveting episode, we speak with Tony O’Reilly - Once a trusted post office manager, later a headline-making gambler, then a prisoner, and now a leading voice in the fight against gambling harm.In this conversation, he

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21. My Story: Clarke Carlisle

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2025/10/21

We’re back with Series 5 of Hold or Fold - The podcast that explores gambling harm through the lens of the Criminal Justice System.In this episode, we're joined by Clarke Carlisle, former Premier League footballer, ex-PFA Chair, and mental health advocate. This is a raw and moving discussion about Clarke's journey through football, gambling, depression and how he rebuilt his life after hitting rock bottom.In This Episode•Clarke opens up about his football career and the pressure to impress both on

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40:12

20. "I was spending the whole wage, that was real...

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2025/05/06

In the final episode of the series, Ben & Steve hear from Neil. Neil had a transformative experience in prison where he took time to work out what he wanted from life – He has since gone back in to prisons helping others as a liaison worker for Gambler’s Anonymous and now works for Breakeven who we featured on the previous episodeNeil has a great way with words and quite a different perspective to the ones we usually hear, both on gambling and prison.Ben & Steve also discuss their series

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43:07

19. Spotlight On: Breakeven | Ian Semel

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2025/04/29

It’s another ‘Spotlight On’ episode where we celebrate the work of an organisation or charity within the gambling harm space that can offer you help, support and guidance. This time, we’re speaking to the fabulous Ian Semel, CEO and founder of the fantastic ‘Breakeven’ - A charity for whom “Lived experience plays a major part in everything they do…”In 2024, ‘Breakeven’ supported more than 15000 individuals, conducted over 2400 interventions in prisons and are committed to getting people the support

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39:24

18. Young People Gambling | Craig & Verity from Gamcare

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2025/04/22

The number of 11-17 year olds showing signs of problem gambling has doubled over the past year. As technology improves, young people are exposed to gambling a lot more frequently through social media, sporting events and online activity.On this episode, Ben & Steve are joined by Craig & Verity from Gamcare to discuss the scale of the issue, why the figures are increasing and what can be done about it.USEFUL LINKS:GamcareReframe CoachingGambler's AnonymousGamble

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40:38

17. Tapping | The Arukah Project & Double Impact

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2025/04/15

It’s another follow along episode as we serve up another practical session to aid you in your recovery. In the previous series we looked at mindfulness to help ease anxiety and in this episode we are focussing on a different method, Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) or, TappingPotential benefits of tapping include..Minimising cravingsHelping withdrawal symptomsReducing the risk of relapseImproving self control/restraintAltering unhelpful thoughtsHealing past traumaTo help us with a guided session

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39:13

16. "I was charged with attempted robbery and...

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2025/04/08

In a desperate attempt to continue gambling, Bryan walked into a high street bank and gave the clerk seconds to hand over cash. He threatened to blow up the premises with the explosives in his rucksack, if his demands were not met…Bryan had no such explosives and almost instantly walked out of the bank to call the police and tell them what he had done. Unsurprisingly, Bryan was arrested and sentenced to time in prison.On this episode of Hold or Fold, Bryan chats to Steve about how his gambling

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48:26

15. Affected Others | Rebecca & Julie

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2025/04/01

“For every 1 person that gambles, there are 6 to 10 people within their network who are directly impacted by that gambling harm”On this episode of Hold or Fold we are looking at ‘Affected Others’ - Those who are affected by the gambling of people in their lives. We are joined by Rebecca, Gamcare’s ‘Lived Experience Manager for Affected Others’ - Who talks about the ripple effect of a person’s gambling and how she was also affected by the gambling of a loved one.We also hear from Julie, someone who

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45:43

14. "I took nearly $2 Million of my clients...

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2025/03/25

Ben has been traveling the world again (From the comfort of our virtual studio!) and welcomes Ed to the show. Ed was born in the UK but in an attempt to escape his gambling habit, left for the warmer climes of Australia where everybody “Wants to keep fit and live healthy lifestyles” - What he found though was an even more challenging environment for someone trying to curb their addiction. Pubs filled with Pokeys and access to millions of clients dollars led Ed down a treacherous path which ended up

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35:39

13. Road to Recovery: Self Exclusion | Katie from...

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2025/03/18

An important step on anyone’s road to recovery is stopping access to the source of your addiction. Thankfully, GAMSTOP has made this a much easier process as they will do the leg work for you. On this episode, Ben & Steve are joined by Katie from GAMSTOP who tells us all about the service, how to use it and the far reaching benefits. Ben & Steve share their own experience with self exclusion and we hear from Bryan who himself used GAMSTOP to aid in his gambling recovery.USEFUL

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54:28

12. "For 16 years, I gambled every day" | Women &...

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2025/03/11

While Men are statistically more likely to gamble and suffer from gambling harm, the gender gap seems to be narrowing but does this mean more women are gambling or more women are now coming forward for support?To ask this question and find out more about the experience of women who have gambled, Ben & Steve welcome Sian and Lisa to Hold or Fold. Sian spent some time in HMP Styal after committing crimes relating to her gambling while an incredible casino win saw Lisa embark on a 16 year gambling

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11. My Story: John Robins

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2025/03/04

Hold or Fold returns for a brand new series in style with an incredible conversation with Comedian, Broadcaster and Writer, John RobinsJohn has had a fantastic career which has seen him scoop the Edinburgh Comedy Award and a Gold ARIA (The Audio & Radio Industry Awards), front several successful Podcasts/Radio shows and he can even boast the highest ever score on Taskmaster! But more recently, John has become known for his honesty and compassion when it comes to talking about addiction. John has

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50:55

10. Tracy Madlin + Series Highlights

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2024/10/15

In the series finale we hear Tracy’s incredible story. Tracy suffered breakdowns and strokes as a result of her gambling but doesn’t have any regrets as she is now at peace and most importantly….Happy! Tracy now goes into prisons to run GA groups and provide prisoners with a safe space to talk about their addiction. She gets just as much out of it as those attending the sessions Ben & Steve also pick their series highlights which includes a previously unheard clip from Ben’s chat with David Navarro

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44:32

9. Cryptocurrency with Tony Marini (Castle Craig...

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2024/10/08

One in 10 people in Britain now hold cryptocurrency but what is it? How does it work? and could it be linked to gambling? Hold or Fold are investigating another gambling grey area as Steve & Ben explore their thoughts around crypto and welcome Tony & Stewart on to the show. Tony has had his own battles with addiction and now works as senior specialist therapist at Castle Craig Hospital in Scotland. Tony helps support people with more ‘modern’ addictions including cryptocurrency and Stewart has

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37:19

8. Betting Shops with David Navarro & Lady Unchained

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2024/10/01

In this episode we’re looking at betting shops and the role they play in the wider gambling culture. Ben & Steve let us know if betting shops played a part within their own journeys and we hear from two people who were impacted by betting shops for very different reasons… David lost a large amount in a betting shop and fell into a cycle of robbing them, to claim ‘revenge’ - He ended up serving a 10 year prison sentence as a result of this. Meanwhile, Lady Unchained experienced this from the other

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59:09

7. Spotlight On: Reframe Coaching + Paula from...

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2024/09/24

Hold or Fold's very own Steve founded 'Reframe Coaching' alongside his wife in 2020. They had spotted a need for gambling support after treatment and now offer bespoke coaching services to those with direct experience of gambling harm as well as affected others, using the power of lived experience This episode focuses on the journey of Reframe, how it came to be, the services offered and how you can get involved. Reframe’s vision is for ‘Everyone to be present in their lives’ and one way of doing

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