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Derate The Hate

Bettering the world one attitude at a time. We did not create the hate, but together, we can 𝘿𝙚𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙃𝙖𝙩𝙚! In a world filled with divisiveness, and dominated by F.O.G. (Fear, Outrage & Grievance), it"s time we find a better way to engage. That all starts with each of us as individuals. We cannot control all that we encounter within our day to day lives, or the environment in which we live, but we certainly have the ability and responsibility to control how we react to it. For me,

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38:05

Crossing the Bridge: Courageous Communication and the...

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2026/10/07

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Trime Persinger’s homework assignment was simple: take ten “you” statements and turn them into “I” statements. She couldn’t do the first one. “You make me angry” was the language she grew up with, and she didn’t have another way to say it. Her instructor stayed after class and wrote all ten for her. That moment set Trime on the path that became courageous communication and her new book, Crossing the Bridge: Heal Your R...

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38:17

Change the Incentives, Change the Politics – DTH...

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2026/09/30

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Matt Koesters didn’t come to electoral reform through theory. He came to it by watching it happen. As a reporter in southern Indiana, he covered a sheriff’s race where the winner needed just 37.7 percent of the vote, because the majority split its support between two candidates. The result reshaped local politics almost overnight. When a crowded 2016 presidential primary field divided support in much the same way, Matt...

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38:10

Dialog Lab: An App for Talking to People Who Disagree...

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2026/09/23

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Dialog Lab is a new app built on a simple premise: most people want to talk to someone who disagrees with them, they just don't know where to find that person, or they're afraid of what it might cost them. The app matches users with someone who sees a topic differently, lets the conversation happen asynchronously over messaging instead of demanding a scheduled call, and uses AI moderation that blocks abuse without ever...

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37:57

Why Purity Tests Are Killing American Politics – DTH...

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2026/09/16

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Lura Forcum returns to talk about a word that's everywhere in politics right now: purity test. Her recent USA Today op-ed argues that the Democratic Socialists of America have pulled the Democratic Party further left, and Wilk and Lura use that as a jumping-off point to dig into something people on both sides of the aisle will recognize: why political parties keep drifting toward their most extreme edges instead of the...

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38:54

Unity Seats for 9/11, Break the Algorithm – DTH...

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2026/09/09

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Adam Mizel is back on the show with an update on Unity Seats, the program he built to get strangers from different walks of life sitting together at games — and it's grown fast. Since his last visit, Adam and his team at US United have run Unity Seats with the Twins, the Lynx, and the Vikings here in Minnesota, working closely with the Sheriff Unity Network to bring together people who'd otherwise never cross paths. No...

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40:39

The Father and Daughter Who Created "The Enemies...

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2026/09/02

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Larry Rosen built a career as a mediator, working through disputes between people who already knew each other and had a reason to want to get along — business partners, divorcing couples, families untangling an inheritance. He started wondering whether that same process could work between total strangers who disagreed about nothing more personal than politics. He didn't know if the motivation would even be there. He bu...

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43:30

Leave Your Bubble, Find Your Country – DTH Episode...

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2026/08/26

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Wesley Warshawer grew up in Tucson in a house full of difference — different religions, politics, and backgrounds — and never thought much of it. That changed in 2017, when a poll about the American electorate made him realize how disconnected he'd become from half his own country, despite years spent studying and living abroad. So he did something about it. He sold sold most of his stuff, got in his car, and spent 18 ...

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36:37

Why Minnesota is Building a Statewide Campaign of...

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2026/08/19

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) The Minnesota Land of Neighbors campaign is a multi-year, collaborative effort by a coalition of Minnesota foundations and bridging organizations — including Braver Angels, Civic Bridgers, Common Ground USA, CRD Connect, and Media Minefield—highlighting our shared values while countering toxic division and helping Minnesotans reconnect as neighbors, regardless of politics. Two-thirds of Americans say they're exhausted ...

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44:28

A House Divided: Reality TV Meets Real Deliberation –...

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2026/08/12

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Roshan Bliss has spent his career working the space between people who disagree — first as a mediator, then as a public deliberation practitioner, and now as the architect of one of the more ambitious bridging projects out there: a reality TV show called A House Divided. Roshan and Wilk dig into the idea of “many-to-many” conflict — why the tools that help two neighbors resolve a dispute fall short when it's millions o...

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34:29

Why Avoiding Conflict Doesn't Mean You're Keeping the...

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2026/08/05

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Kelsey Blahnik has spent her career as a social worker sitting across from people who don't see eye to eye—politically, personally, every which way—and she's found that peace was never about avoiding the hard conversation. It's about learning how to have it. In this episode, Kelsey and Wilk dig into her book, The And Way: Assertive Peacemaking in a Divided World, and the real difference between being assertive and bein...

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38:19

Holding the Line: Why Some Things Should Still Be...

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2026/07/29

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Erez Levin spent nearly a decade inside Google's ad tech world before becoming one of the loudest internal voices warning that the industry was built to reward quantity over quality — and that those same broken incentives are what fuel outrage, fear, and grievance across the wider internet. Now Erez writes at Holding the Line, where he makes the case for what he calls principled ostracism: real social consequences for ...

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36:20

Paid Protesting Isn't What You Think It Is – DTH...

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2026/07/22

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Paid protesting is one of the most divisive — and misunderstood — topics in American civic life. Adam Swart, founder of Crowds on Demand, has spent over a decade inside that world, organizing demonstrations across the political spectrum. In this conversation, he pulls back the curtain on how modern protests actually get funded, coordinated, and amplified — and why the reality is far more nuanced than the headlines sugg...

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40:10

The Paradox of Power: Nobody's All-Powerful, Nobody's...

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2026/07/15

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Elizaveta Friesem has spent her career trying to understand why people who could be connected end up disconnected instead — and why so much of that disconnection gets explained away with blame. Her book, Media Is Us, starts from a simple but disruptive idea: media isn't some outside force manipulating us. It's just another form of human communication, shaped by the same flaws and limitations we all have. Wilk and Eliza...

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39:47

How a Song Can Reveal What a Debate Never Will – DTH...

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2026/07/08

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Shaka Mitchell is a lawyer and education policy veteran who built something unusual out of a pandemic-era habit: getting friends together once a month, picking songs tied to a theme, and talking about why. That casual ritual became the Come Together Music Project, now a podcast and live event series Shaka's run with friends, strangers, and colleagues across the political spectrum. One story stands out. At a session wit...

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38:59

Who Built This Tension You Are Feeling? – DTH Episode...

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2026/07/01

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Maryam Mehrtash spent nearly two decades building narratives for Marvel, Disney, Paramount, and some of the biggest brands in entertainment. Before that, she was a refugee kid learning English from cartoons, carrying forward the storytelling legacy of a grandmother who was imprisoned in Iran for the same gift. In this conversation, Wilk and Maryam dig into what actually separates authentic storytelling from manipulatio...

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43:19

You're Listening, But Can They Tell? – DTH Episode...

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2026/06/24

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Julia Minson has spent 25 years studying disagreement—not how to win arguments, but how people actually engage with views that conflict with their own. She’s a Harvard professor, a behavioral scientist, and the author of How to Disagree Better. This conversation gets into the heart of her research. One of the most useful ideas in the episode: being receptive in your own head doesn’t count. Your counterpart can’t read y...

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39:43

What Happens When Immigration's Biggest Opponents...

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2026/06/22

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Diego Sanchez grew up undocumented in the United States. Jim Robb spent nearly thirty years fighting for immigration restrictions. They sat down at the same table, and discovered something neither of them fully expected: they could trust each other. This bonus episode drops ahead of the 2026 Braver Angels National Convention in Philadelphia—where Diego and Jim are serving as co-chairs. The Citizens Commission on Immigr...

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39:00

From Argument to Action: Why Deliberation Changes...

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2026/06/17

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) What if the problem isn't the people on the other side — what if the problem is just hard? Martin Carcasson has spent 20 years building deliberative processes in Northern Colorado that help communities move from argument to action. The Center for Public Deliberation he founded at CSU has run over 600 community meetings, working with local governments, schools, and nonprofits on everything from housing to elder care. In...

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41:35

Killed to Order: The Road from Dehumanization to...

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2026/06/10

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Jan Jekielek spent years as a human rights worker before becoming a journalist — and the story he couldn't stop following eventually became Killed to Order, a New York Times bestselling investigation into China's forced organ harvesting industry. In this conversation, Jan and Wilk focus on a question at the center of both the book and the show: what does dehumanization actually produce when it's allowed to run all the ...

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41:55

We Were Given a Republic – But Can We Keep It? – DTH...

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2026/06/03

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) Kevin Dolan and Peter Calfee met at a Veterans Day luncheon in 2022 and spent three years writing Hijacked: Our Republic — a book built around one essential question: what does it take to keep what the founders built? In this conversation, Kevin and Peter walk through the six foundational pillars they believe hold a republic together — critical thinking, education, faith and values, history, political systems, and econ...

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