Modern Musician Podcast

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#348 - Robina Ritchie-Barker: TrackStage and the...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/10/02

Robina Ritchie-Barker is the co-founder of TrackStage, a music management platform built to help independent music creators organize their catalogs, manage the business behind their music, and get their tracks opportunity-ready. As a composer and music creator herself, Robina experienced firsthand the growing administrative burden of managing files, versions, metadata, collaborators, and pitches. That experience inspired TrackStage, which helps creators reduce the “Administrative Tax” of making

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76:40

The Artist Economy: Episode 08 — Songs Don’t Have...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/09/28

What happens when music becomes infinite?TuneCore artists can now opt in to let Suno train on their music. Suno is limiting downloads. CDs are somehow booming again. And a Katy Perry song from 2011 just became TikTok’s biggest song of the summer.This week, we’re asking what actually becomes valuable when music itself is abundant: ownership, scarcity, physical artifacts, fan relationships—or simply giving a great song enough chances to be discovered.Along the way, we ask:Would you let AI train on

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37:07

#347 - Jesse Cannon: Why There’s No Money in Music...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/09/25

Jesse Cannon is a music marketing expert, producer, author, and educator who helps independent artists navigate the modern music industry. He hosts Musformation and is the author of Get More Fans: The DIY Guide to the New Music Business and Processing Creativity. Jesse has worked with artists including The Cure, Animal Collective, Laufey, and Weird Al Yankovic, while also building expertise in music production, artist development, podcasting, and education. Through his work, he shares practical

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85:33

The Artist Economy: Episode 07 — Who Owns the Future...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/09/21

The technology changed. The strategy didn’t.Dolly Parton spent her career protecting ownership. This week, the rest of the music industry showed exactly why that matters.Sony and Warner sued Anthropic. Universal built an AI patent portfolio. All three majors bought equity in Stability AI. And session musicians went to court arguing that the AI economy is being built on work they were never compensated for.Meanwhile, one DIY artist showed another path entirely: let the audience take your music,

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40:38

#346 - Josh Simons: Why Domain Expertise Is Your...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/09/18

Josh Simons is the CEO of Vinyl Group and founder of Vampr, a professional network for musicians and creatives with 1.6 million users across 190 countries. A former musician, songwriter, and producer, Josh has built companies across music, technology, media, and culture, raising over $50 million across his ventures. He has worked with artists including Travis Scott, Troye Sivan, and Kanye West, and has helped grow Vinyl Group through acquisitions spanning media, music technology, e-commerce, and

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71:16

The Artist Economy: Episode 06 — Where Do We Draw the...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/09/14

The AI debate just became policy.For years, the music industry argued about whether AI music was “real music.” Now platforms, charts, publishers, and courts are starting to draw actual lines.Australia introduced a “substantially human-made” requirement for chart eligibility. Apple, Spotify, and Tidal are taking three different approaches to identifying AI music. Meanwhile, publishers are fighting Suno and Anthropic over what the music that trained these systems is actually worth.Along the way, we

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38:43

#345 - Eli Atkins: How Solo.to Is Changing the...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/09/11

Eli Atkins is the co-founder of Solo.to, a leading link-in-bio platform helping creators, entrepreneurs, and brands bring their digital presence together in one customizable page. Since launching Solo.to in 2020, Eli has taken a hands-on role across product design, user experience, marketing, and day-to-day operations. With a significant portion of Solo.to’s users coming from the music community, he has developed a close understanding of the needs of independent artists and music creators. Eli

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65:22

The Artist Economy: Episode 05 — Who Gets to Speak...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/09/07

This is the week consent got delegated.This week on The Artist Economy, Michael Walker, Chris Saunders, Sol Gold, and Jared Christianson break down what happens when labels, publishers, platforms, lawmakers, and AI companies start making decisions on behalf of artists.BMG licensed more than three million songs into Suno while settling the platform's prior use. Suno launched a more powerful AI-first studio. Kobalt became the third catalog to join Spotify's coming AI remix ecosystem. And two

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37:57

#344- Aurelie Couble: From Music Producer to...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/09/04

Aurelie Couble is a Canadian music producer and online educator who built a six-figure business teaching self-taught music creators how to turn their skills into real income without relying on streaming royalties or a record label. With 44K YouTube subscribers and 43K Instagram followers, both grown organically, she helps music creators land high-paying clients and build sustainable businesses through content creation, audience growth, personal branding, and organic marketing.In this episode,

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62:19

The Artist Economy: Episode 04 — The Week the Music...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/09/01

What happens when the music industry starts deciding what counts as human?This week on The Artist Economy, Michael Walker, Chris Saunders, Sol Gold, and Jared Christianson explore a new phase of AI music: platforms aren't just detecting AI anymore—they're starting to label it, watermark it, restrict it, and decide how it gets distributed.Spotify is introducing badges for AI personas. Suno is embedding invisible watermarks into generated music. Licensed AI fan remixes are coming to

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34:48

#343 - Cathy Pellow: The Artist Development Lessons...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/08/28

Cathy Pellow is the founder of Sargent House, one of the most influential independent record labels in alternative, experimental, and heavy music. For more than two decades, she has championed innovative artists and helped them build sustainable careers while preserving their creative independence. She is also the founder of Riverwood Arts, a creative consultancy focused on artist development, leadership, and long-term career strategy. Known for her artist-first approach, Cathy brings a wealth of

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70:39

The Artist Economy: Episode 03 — Who Gets Paid When...

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2026/08/24

The AI fight is moving from permission to money.This week on The Artist Economy, Michael Walker, Chris Saunders, Sol Gold, and Jared Christianson break down what happens once AI companies, labels, artists, and musicians stop arguing about whether AI can use music—and start arguing about who gets paid.We look at Universal testing paid-only release windows, musicians challenging labels over AI licensing revenue, Germany moving faster on Suno regulation, Universal’s massive quarterly revenue, and why

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25:44

#342 - Theresa Wolters: The Safety Net Every Musician...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/08/21

Theresa Wolters is the Executive Director of MusiCares, leading efforts to provide health, mental health, addiction recovery, financial, and emergency support to music professionals. She brings more than 20 years of global health and humanitarian leadership, including 12 years with the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation, where she helped expand life-saving programs reaching tens of millions worldwide. Since joining MusiCares in 2022, Theresa has focused on making critical resources more

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The Artist Economy: Episode 02 — Who Owns Music in...

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2026/08/17

When a song becomes part of culture, who actually owns it?This week on The Artist Economy, Michael Walker, Chris Saunders, Sol Gold, and Jared Christianson explore how music, culture, AI, ownership, and technology are reshaping the economics of being an artist. We look at the resurgence of Oasis' "Wonderwall" and what it teaches us about creating cultural moments, before diving into the growing debate around AI music, training data, ownership, and artist compensation. For independent

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47:01

#341 - Fabiana Claure: The Business Model That Helps...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/08/14

Dr. Fabiana Claure is a concert pianist, music business strategist, and AI innovation leader who helps music educators turn their expertise into scalable, profitable businesses. A doctoral-level pianist, university professor, and co-founder of a nationally recognized music academy, she has generated over seven figures through her own online education programs. Fabiana has also helped music educators build six- and seven-figure businesses while cutting their teaching hours by 50% or more. She is the

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65:36

The Artist Economy: Episode 01 — AI, Prediction...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/08/10

What happens when AI starts rewriting the rules of the music industry? On the first episode of The Artist Economy, Michael Walker, Chris Saunders, Sol Gold, and Devin Mooers break down the biggest stories shaping the future of independent artists. We dive into prediction markets manipulating Spotify charts, the multi-billion-dollar rise of AI music company Suno, the legal battle over AI training data, the collapse of the traditional touring ladder, and why governments are now treating frontier AI

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71:43

#340 - Diamond Johnson: How Beyoncé's Tour Drummer...

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2026/08/07

Diamond Johnson is a world-class drummer, multi-instrumentalist, and music director whose career has taken him from church stages to the world's biggest arenas. Best known as Beyoncé's drummer on the Renaissance World Tour, Diamond has also worked with artists including Teyana Taylor and Michelle Williams while building a reputation as one of the industry's most trusted first-call musicians. Beyond performing, he's passionate about mentoring the next generation of creatives, teaching

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#339 - Max Wild: Done Is Better Than Perfect: The...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/07/31

Max Wild is the CEO and co-founder of 343 Labs, a leading music production and DJ school with campuses in New York City and Berlin. An electronic musician, producer, educator, and saxophonist, Max combines real-world music industry experience with a passion for helping artists build sustainable careers. Through 343 Labs, he has created a global community offering training in music production, DJing, sound design, mixing, mastering, live performance, and artist development. His work focuses on

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#338 - Dr. Chelsey Green: Inside the GRAMMYs with a...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/07/24

Dr. Chelsey Green is a No. 1 Billboard-charting recording artist, internationally acclaimed violinist, educator, and cultural leader. She serves as Chair of the Board of Trustees of the Recording Academy®, making history as the first Black woman and youngest person ever elected to lead the organization's governing body. An Associate Professor at Berklee College of Music, she also serves on the boards of the Latin Recording Academy®, the GRAMMY Museum®, and MusiCares®. Through her artistry,

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39:53

#337 - Oskar Eichler: Build a Bigger Fanbase with...

Modern Musician Podcast ·

2026/07/17

Oskar Eichler is the Founder & CEO of Songstats, the leading music analytics platform trusted by more than 10,000 artists, labels, and industry professionals to track real-time performance across 14 major streaming and social platforms. A serial entrepreneur and music producer, Oskar previously founded and sold Arcane, served as COO of 1001Tracklists, and built a YouTube channel with over one million subscribers. Today, he's helping creators leverage data, AI, and social insights to make

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