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Grit & Grain Podcast

Matthew, Bethany, and Ron

Craft beer sales and brand manager — Matt McLaren, professional brewer and line cleaner — Bethany Carlsen, and bottle shop owner and operator — Ron Swarner explore and celebrate the craft beer industry, community, and history in Tacoma, Washington, and surrounding Pacific Northwest region.

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Episode 186: Dan Cady and Meghan Michels from Holy...

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2026/04/17

Matt’s still in Germany, and Ron, Bethany, Phaedra, and Doug held down the fort beautifully for this week’s super special episode.We are joined this week by one of the strongest brewing duos working the state right now — Dan Cady and Meghan Michels of Holy Mountain Brewing. Dan, having recently moved back up to Washington after years of brewing some of San Diego’s best beer, got rolling at Holy Mountain just a few months ago, where Meghan has been holding down the fort for

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Episode 185: Trails, Tanks, and the Long Game — Wes...

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2026/04/10

There are brewers who arrive with a résumé, and then there are brewers who arrive with a landscape. Kulshan Brewing Head Brewer Wes Finger brings the latter — a stretch of Bellingham terrain shaping how he brews and how he thinks. In this episode of the Grit & Grain Podcast, Wes traces his roots to the Nooksack River Valley and a life built around weather, water, and patience. That ethos shows up clearly in his love for Helles lager — a style that demands precision, restraint, and a willingness

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Episode 184: The Unstoppable Grit of Robyn Schumacher

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2026/04/03

This week, we are joined by Stoup Brewing co-founder, board president of the Washington Brewers Guild, and all-around industry powerhouse, Robyn Schumacher!After spending her early career teaching high school biology for over a decade, Schumacher made the jump into the beer world and has been running at full speed ever since — being one of the earliest recipients of the Cicerone Certification in Washington, a regular in the famous Drunk Herstory lineup, and now using her platform and leadership in

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Episode 182: Double Mountain’s 19th Anniversary Party

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2026/03/27

The Grit and Grain team was lucky enough to be invited to the famous yearly celebration of Double Mountain’s legendary inception, so we packed up the cars and took a field trip to beautiful Hood River.Nestled in the Brewer’s Lounge couches, the entire Double Mountain team sat with us for a glorious hour of brewery history, shenanigans, and fond memories of the early days of Hood River craft beer. From award-winning beer to award-winning cider, airplanes, early influences, and future plans, we get

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Episode 182: Orval Day and Trappist History with...

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2026/03/20

Happy Orval Day Eve!Saturday, March 21st, marks this year’s international celebration of one of the most unique and highly regarded beers ever made, Orval. A 1000-year-old Belgian ale brewed by Trappist Monks and bottle conditioned with Brettanomyces. We thought it was the perfect time to bring back Aaron Cohn, regional sales manager at Merchant du Vin and lover of all things monastically produced (including cheese!). We dive into the 1500-year history of Trappist beer, starting with the original

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Episode 181: A News Worthy Tacoma Beer Week Special,...

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2026/03/13

We’re back for the second half of our Tacoma Beer Week double header. Hopefully you tuned in last week for the stellar hour we spent with Ezra Johnson-Greenough of New School Beer + Cider — he’s back again for another episode and joined this week by an extra special guest.Founder, publisher, and CEO of SIP Magazine, Kristin Ackerman Bacon joins us this week alongside Ezra to talk all things beer and cider journalism, publishing, and collaboration. Just this week, Kristin and

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Episode 180: A News-Worthy Tacoma Beer Week Special

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2026/03/06

Happy Tacoma Beer Week! A whole week dedicated to fun events and just about everything craft beer around Tacoma and the Pacific Northwest. No better time to bring on one of the busiest beer writers and event organizers in the industry.We are joined this week by the founder of New School Beer + Cider, Fuji to Hood Beer Festival, and the Oregon Beer Awards — Ezra Johnson-Greenough! From his beginnings at a beloved Portland taproom to his conquest of the beer media landscape, Ezra gives us a crash

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Episode 179: Let’s Talk About Oregon

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2026/02/27

If you’ve been following some of the big craft beer news outlets lately, you’ve likely seen some of the big stories coming from Oregon recently. Distributor consolidation, new craft beer start-ups, and brewery buy-outs. These are all big indicators of industry shifts — so what do they mean for the future of beer in the Northwest?This week, we discuss some of the big shake-ups in the Oregon craft beer world, how they telegraph the future of the beer industry overall, and how the Oregon

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Episode 178: Brewing a New Legacy with Ladd & Lass

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2026/02/20

This week, we are joined by Nick Ladd and Jessie Quan, owners, operators, and the respective Ladd and Lass from Ladd & Lass Brewing.Nestled in the heart of Seattle’s University District — and in the old Fabulous Rainbow Tavern, no less — the couple have spent the last four years creating something very special: bringing the attention to detail that comes from years studying architecture, and the creative instincts that have quickly turned them into one of Washington’s newest sweetheart

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Episode 177: Beer & Chocolate

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2026/02/13

Are you still scrambling for a thoughtful gift for your loved one? Look no further! The Grit & Grain team put our heads together and came up with a romantic plan you can use for the occasion — a beer and chocolate pairing, of course.We’re joined again by our best buddy Stacey O’Connor, who stopped by to hang out after her Pink Boots episode last week and who also happens to teach a food and beer pairing class at South Puget Sound Community College. We gathered five of the most popular

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Episode 176: Pink Boots Society Biennial Conference...

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2026/02/06

The Pink Boots Society Conference wrapped up a few weeks ago. The every-other-year occasion brings together women and non-binary identifying beer industry professionals together to learn, network, and build community.Our best buddy and fellow Funk Buster, Stacey O’Connor, was in attendance this year and joined us for a few beers to fill us in what the conference looked like. Everything from early morning talks, late-night brewery meetups, mentorship spaces, Zen dens for our neurodivergent

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Episode 175: Building a Community Around Lacey’s Lone...

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2026/01/30

This week are joined by veteran firefighter and Top Rung Brewing Company owner Casey Sobol. For over a decade, Top Rung has slowly but surely built a loyal community around Lacey’s only brewery by creating a hub for local drinkers, training a staff of hyper-knowledgeable beer servers, and brewing award-winning beers.Crack a Top Rung beer if you’ve got one, and tune in for the details on how this fantastic brewery was born from an unexpected homebrew competition win, how they’ve

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Episode 174: Food and Beer Journalism from Chicago to...

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2026/01/23

The Tacoma News Tribune is in the building! We are joined this week by food and dining reporter Kristine Sherred. A longtime food writer who first cut her teeth writing a feature for a Chicago brewery, Kristine moved to Tacoma in 2019 to immerse herself in the city’s long-standing food and beverage scene via the TNT Diner.Crack a Tacoma Brew and tune in to find out what hoops an up-and-coming writer in Chicago has to jump through, what spots have been the highlight of her Tacoma journey so

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Episode 173: Merchant du Vin with Aaron Cohn

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2026/01/16

Way back in 1978, craft beer legends Charles and Rose Ann Finkel founded a small importing business and began shipping classic European beers into the US, effectively changing the American craft beer landscape for generations. Nearly five decades later, and they’re still setting the standard.Aaron Cohn, regional sales manager at Merchant du Vin, joins us this week. After many years in the beer industry working with local breweries, Aaron found his calling slinging the absolute best beer in

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Episode 172: The Future of Beer is “What, When, and...

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2026/01/09

It’s 2026! After a short holiday break, we are back to bring you an absolute banger of an episode to kick off the new year.We are joined this week by fermentation expert and beer education icon, Shanleigh Thomson. A longtime industry professional and creator of extra-crispy beer-focused content, Shanleigh has amassed an insane amount of beer experience and expertise. We dive into her history in the beer world, her diverse background and education, and her insights on the future of beer as the

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Episode 171: Pre-Christmas Special with Sean Jackson

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2025/12/19

We’re less than a week from Christmas, which means it was the perfect time to sneak away with our best buddy and former co-host Sean Jackson for a secret Sunday podcast.Tucked away in Doug’s studio, we popped a few fancy bottles to celebrate Sean’s 50th birthday and caught up with him as much as we could in an hour (it’s never enough time). Tune in to hear about Sean’s birthday surprise and, considering the recent news of Rogue’s closure, catch a few of his favorite

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Episode 170: The Art of Smoothie Sours with Shelby Bible

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2025/12/12

As odd as it may sound, there really is an art behind making smoothie sours taste good. Like anything else, there are good and bad examples, and often the difference is the thoughtfulness of the ingredients. That’s why we wanted to bring in our buddy, Odd Otter head brewer, to help answer the age-old question: “How much soft serve ice cream is too much to add to your beer?”In all seriousness, Shelby is doing great work at Tacoma’s own Odd Otter Brewing Company, with a thoughtful

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Episode 169: Inside the Brewer’s Studio with Erik Dahlin

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2025/12/05

We think it’s high time we took this interview gig a little more seriously, so we figured we might as well get some high-quality interview questions locked and loaded for future episodes, but we need to make sure they’re up to snuff first.This week, we are joined by the effortlessly dashing Erik Dahlin of The Odom Corp. to field test some of our new, totally professional interview questions. After years in the beer distribution game, Erik has tasted droves of world-class pints and

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Episode 168: Who Brought the Rodenbach to...

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2025/11/21

Less than a week out from everyone’s favorite chaotic family holiday—the annual turkey-fueled collision of joy, gravy, and emotional turbulence—we decided it was the perfect time to sit down with our buddy R.J. Adler, from...The post Episode 168: Who Brought the Rodenbach to Thanksgiving Dinner? appeared first on Grit & Grain Podcast.

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Episode 167: Wacky Podcasts Are Killing the Craft...

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2025/11/14

Time for a good old-fashioned debate. This week, we dive into the now-infamous New York Times opinion piece by famed journalist Mark Robichaux, “Wacky Labels and Silly Names are Killing Craft Beer”. With a few...The post Episode 167: Wacky Podcasts Are Killing the Craft Beer Industry appeared first on Grit & Grain Podcast.

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